Tilting at Wind Turbines: Should the Government Subsidize Renewable Energy?

May 19, 2011 by  
Filed under Wind and Solar

Switching from conventional sources of electricity like coal and natural gas to renewables like wind and solar, our elected leaders tell us, will reduce pollution, advance renewable technology and spark a green jobs revolution. Is renewable energy really a green pathway to a brighter economic future? Or is it nothing more than a heavily subsidized impossible dream? To learn more, we spoke with Cal State Fullerton economist Robert Michaels and Mark Tholke, an executive at enXco. Approximately 6.5 minutes. Produced by Paul Feine and Alex Manning. Go to reason.tv for downloadable versions, and subscribe to Reason.tv’s YouTube channel to receive automatic notification when new content is posted.

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25 Responses to “Tilting at Wind Turbines: Should the Government Subsidize Renewable Energy?”
  1. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “…we all see only what we wish to be true.”

    Sometimes, providing one’s eyes are open to begin with.

  2. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “…we just had a huge financial meltdown in one the most prototypically `Capitalist’ country on Earth…”

    Just had? Only the beginning; thanks in no small part to federal governance that neither budgets, nor respects limits put upon it by the U.S. Constitution. Not to mention weak, ineffective and double-speaking leadership from on-high.

    Notwithstanding; I always find it amusing when street bum lectures millionaire, how to make a million — theoretical or otherwise.

  3. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed Speaking of “notwithstanding,” and “amusing,” in spite of your ad hominem reply to my argument, we’re in agreement: Capitalism has, indeed, failed in those regards, contrary to your prior argument.

    To your point about federal governance and constitutional prudence: it is in fact the DE-regulation of financial institutions (under Reagan, D-majority congress) and derivatives trading (under Clinton, R-Majority congress) that precipitated the chain of events that got us here.

  4. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “…in spite of your ad hominem reply to my argument, we’re in agreement: Capitalism has, indeed, failed in those regards…”

    Nope not in agreement.

    But then when one’s argument is as thin as paper — not to mention skin depth — anything remotely opposed is construed as character attack (yet ya might want to learn what ad hominem is, before citing it). Nonetheless I never stated capitalism failed, not even remotely. And such requires the grasp of a flea to read and comprehend.

  5. WelfareRobot says:

    Wind power is such a joke. I think only corn ethanol can top it in terms of its uselessness. Shockingly, both industries only exist in their current forms thanks to massive subsidies and regulations.

  6. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed Take your own advice and learn the definition of ad hominem fallacy, like when you said “I always find it amusing when street bum lectures millionaire,” and “such requires the grasp of a flea.” Implying that I’m some vagrant without the qualifications to make such judgments: ad hominem. Stating that I don’t have the mental capacity to grasp the concepts in question: ad hominem. Your logic prowess: fail.

    So far you spout useless platitudes with little real argument.

  7. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed “I never stated capitalism failed, not even remotely.” But you have. You’ve said we’re a capitalist society, where an unfettered market increases efficiency and prosperity. And, you agreed that we’re enduring a global financial crisis and global food shortage. All this after 40 years of increasing corporate de-regulation. So, you said we’re capitalist, and agreed those failures happened. As such you’ve more-than-remotely said capitalist system has had failures.

  8. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed But you’re using metaphor. I’m being literal. Studies have shown this (don’t have citations here, but google it). In fact, I would argue that it’s this very real psychological phenomenon which augments our having our metaphorical “eyes closed.”

  9. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “I’m being literal.”

    Ok, if you say so.

  10. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    Guess again, I never stated (NOT EVEN REMOTELY) that capitalism has failed. Because, ahem, capitalism hasn’t failed albeit the system of governance has; two distinct issues that clearly escape you.

  11. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “Implying that I’m some vagrant without the qualifications to make such judgments: ad hominem.”

    Well, if the shoe fits… Hello Cinderella! Other than that you might want to grow some skin, and resist reading what you evidently want to see. (Phantoms don’t lurk around every corner, irrespective your delusions.)

  12. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed I mis-spoke. It’s not exactly that we see what we want to see, but that we tend to see what we believe to be true.

    Don’t take my word for it, there are numerous studies that support this: Kelly 1950; Pronin, Lin and Ross 2002. Pronin, Gilovich and Ross 2004.

  13. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed So now you admit you’re using fallacy. I don’t care about your petty insults, it’s your style that’s boring. You put yourself out here as some kind of philosophical boxer, and all I see are featherweight techniques. I’ve yet to see a substantive rebuttal. And when I call you on your weak argumentative techniques, the best you’ve got is “grow some skin” ? Yawn.

  14. hyaenidae says:

    @AngrySkeptic Yes, but what additional costs (“externalities”) might we be paying in health care for respiratory illnesses near coal-fired plants, or in the effects from mercury from coal byproducts in our food chain? And what of the externalities from the mining like cleanup from toxic tailings? Not to mention the ecological effects from some types of mining like mountaintop removal in parts of PA and WV?

  15. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “I mis-spoke.”

    …And often too.

  16. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “So now you admit you’re using fallacy. You put yourself out here as some kind of philosophical boxer, and all I see are featherweight techniques.”

    You’re funny Bumpkins (like a lizard doing push-ups), yet insistence upon substance that isn’t there is itself fallacious. (But then, hypocrisy seems your style.) Do try and keep up with adults? Thanks so much. Mmmm-K, thanks, bye.

  17. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed “insistence upon substance that isn’t there is itself fallacious.” More gibberish.

    Since “hypocrisy seems my style,” point out this stylistic flair of mine. Where am I being hypocritical? Or, is this just more of the same from you?

  18. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed Show me.

  19. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “Show me.”

    Got a mirror?

  20. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “Where am I being hypocritical?”

    Where aren’t you might be the better question. Succinctly, please find some semblance of a mind before continuing. Thanks so much.

  21. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed Laughably pedantic. What a joke. And here I thought you’d be a worthy adversary. Nevermind.

  22. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed Got substance?

  23. hyaenidae says:

    @PoliticallyBlazed A hypocritical argument for one who likes to rail on the demerits of ideology. What escapes you is that the two are forever intertwined as emergent properties of complex societies. Viewing them as distinct meant you’ll always yearn for “if the government would only …”, or “if the market could only…”; a neatly ordered scenario that doesn’t exist. They’re forever linked as dual properties of our individual and collective will.

  24. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “What escapes you is that the two are forever intertwined as emergent properties of complex societies.”

    Spoken like a true anti-capitalist who knows not the first thing about, ahem, capitalism. Once again, do make some attempt to keep up with the adults?

  25. PoliticallyBlazed says:

    @hyaenidae: “Laughably pedantic. What a joke.”

    Hmmm, apparently you found that mirror.

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