Wind Farm in My Backyard: ScienCentral Report

May 11, 2011 by  
Filed under Wind and Solar

New York State’s Tug Hill plateau, known for its snow, is gaining fame for its wind. Maple Ridge Wind Farm, which officially opened last year, is the biggest wind energy project in the eastern United States.

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25 Responses to “Wind Farm in My Backyard: ScienCentral Report”
  1. nakazatoGTR says:

    @scottyg001 THEY STILL have diesel generators when turbines are shut down to dangerous wind conditions and no wind situation. can you prove that wind is very constant that no single second that winds die down….


  2. scottyg001 says:

    hmmmm… I didnt see any generators at the wind farm where I hauled them too… I hauled windmills all over the west coast….those windmills will turn in a 3 mph breeze….

  3. RandomConcepts says:

    To see an opposing view to this propaganda, search videos for “Voices of Tug Hill.” Just one of many examples of downsides.

    Industry-drones are pros at ignoring desecration of the landscape and numerous noise complaints, shadow flicker, disruption of wildlife, etc.

  4. HomeWindTurbines7 says:

    Friends and subscribers welcome. My home wind turbines just won a Green Design Contest. Look at the videos, neighborhood friendly windpower.

  5. PrecisionFit says:

    I love how the windmills aren’t even turning in most of the footage. < 30% folks – thats how much of the time they actually produce.

  6. Xdust3 says:

    @genericsoul 321 megawatts???? haha, omg, these people are pathetic.

    Face facts, there are NO alternative energy sources. 321 Megawatss, is NOTHING.

    All this bitching over NOTHING energy. A simple coal plant in PA is 5 Gigawatts. 5 THOUSAND tims what these loosers are bitiching about.

  7. minitrueful says:

    Wind Power is a Scam. Explain to me how – HOW – wind farms keep us from using any additional crude oil?

  8. Northwesley says:

    @tom13erry Do a little research. Check out the relationship both partnerships/ownerships that exist between “Big Wind” companies and the oil and gas industry. Wind turbines are a huge asset for oil/gas because in most places, co-generation is being built to provide stability of supply beside large IWT plants. You’re confused – its actually wind/oil/gas vs nuclear. That is the real global competition between the big corporations.

  9. Northwesley says:

    @scottyg001 Oh man. Do some research, If you install IWTs into the grid, one of three things MUST be done. a) Energy storage to store the variable energy produced by the turbines until it is needed by the grid or b) shut down the IWTs when the energy is not needed for demand beyond base supply or c) co-generation to provide stable supply from the facility. One of these three MUST happen. In North America and Europe a) is not very common (if at all), b) and c) is used to stabilize supply.

  10. Northwesley says:

    @minitrueful I’m not a supporter of IWTs but I don’t the tech is a scam. But I do think the Big Wind industry and their subsidization partners in government are scamming taxpayers. Every energy production mode has impacts/costs/strengths/weaknesses. But Wind proponents go around saying “500ft tall structures with 120mph blades the size of Boeing 747s don’t kill birds” or “there is no noise” or “anyone who get’s sick from noise is a wacko” etc. etc. That’s all b/s.

  11. bannor99 says:

    @Northwesley I’ve posted it elsewhere but it bears repeating – bird deaths by wind farms are miniscule compared to other causes, such as pesticides, buildings, transportation and cats. Check the US Fish and Wildlife mortality report; the difference between turbines’ impact and any one of the other causes is a factor of 1000

  12. bannor99 says:

    @Northwesley Who, specifically, is “Big Wind”? Vestas? Enercon? GE? Siemens?
    It’s nowhere near as clear-cut as you make it. Chevron is huge in geothermal; GE has nuclear and oil divisions as well as wind; Siemens is eyeing the nuclear market again and Areva is nuclear and wind. These are energy companies – they’ll diversify to keep the bottom line growing. I would prefer that all power generation operate without subsidy but it’s so entrenched, it would take years to level the field

  13. Northwesley says:

    @bannor99 Respectfully, so what. Would you build a 500ft/50 story building a mile away from a wildlife preserve? Would you build it if you knew there was a chance that the building would be in the path of some species at risk? Of course not. The point is, Big Wind says “our structures don’t kill birds”. Of course they do. The real question is how many? What kind? and Is there anything that can be done about it? If not, should the IWT be sited elsewhere?

  14. Northwesley says:

    @bannor99 Thank you supporting my point. My point exactly. It seems that most posters, who aren’t as well-read as yourself, believe that the Big Wind companies are somehow fighting the evils of Big Oil/Gas. As you’ve pointed out they one and the same. And when an IWT facility requires co-generation as many of the European sites do, its often sister companies that engage in that. Profit is the game – NOT GHG reduction b/c as is becoming painfully obvious, IWTs do not result in lower emissions.

  15. Northwesley says:

    @bannor99 I also use the term “Big Wind” to highlight that the industry that is using our tax dollars to put up thousands of IWTs (@22% efficiency) is different than the “little wind” companies that are selling demand reduction wind mills with battery storage to farmers and landowners. Whole different business. P.S. Its hard to determine partnership/ownership relationships between these corps. Easy to take that out of public view. But, I think you’ll agree… very few that are Nuclear&Oil.

  16. bannor99 says:

    @Northwesley I haven’t found denials of bird deaths; some of the farms have been co-operative with researchers. Feel free to point out contrarian facts. The kindest things to do for birds would be to ban pesticides, confine cats and severely restrict logging in the Boreal forest. That should save the lives of 1 BILLION birds in a year or two. There are likely methods to make birds avoid towers; it seems bats dodge radar emitters – I haven’t found any data on actual testing.

  17. Northwesley says:

    @bannor99 Its a pleasure to debate this with you. (Sincerely) Once again, we’re talking about a specific hazard and its impact on birds (and bats). Don’t change the subject 😉 . I, once again, want a reasonable and open disclosure about all the impacts of any introduction of significant technology into my backyard (rural Ontario). I really don’t get that from Big Wind. There are some studies going on re: bats and that certainly seems to be a much bigger impact than bird kill.

  18. Northwesley says:

    … and to continue on the subject of wildlife impact. I think we all know that bats are killed by explosive decompression of their lungs when they fly behind the blades. What astonishes me is the absence of an ongoing database that the industry could and should publish. There is a big argument in Wolfe Island sites about the volume of bat kills. Some of the residents are claiming they have tabulated thousands of bats killed. The company says (I think) a few dozen. ???

  19. Northwesley says:

    Do you want to have a go at the impact on property value? That’s my favourite one.

  20. venturen says:

    329 MegaWatts is a joke…they run about 10% of the time so that is 32 Mega watts and the cost is $8 million per wind turbine and that is 200 winds turbines at a total cost of 1.6Billion. that only produces 10% of the time so lets multiple that times 9 times that is $20 billion dollar for 329 Mega Watts. Here how quick he talks…and giving that old man $20K he would be happy. Wind is a JOKE!. It is a TAX/Rate Scam. Every 5-8 years the transmission fail…so there is lots of maintenance! SCAM!

  21. superraider408 says:

    @venturen i don’t know about you but i would much raver get my electricity from that then something that is the main destroyer of the earth.

  22. SaveWesternOHIO says:


    Fist, wind energy does not replace crude oil. Second, oil companies often invest in wind energy since oil companies earn a profit for which they wish to pay no taxes. Finally, you seem to vilify oil companies. What do you think your life would be like without oil? Isn’t it a valuable resource whose price is determined in the free market – a foundation of American society?

  23. venturen says:

    @superraider408 Do you realize that the USA gets 1%of its electric from oil? Do you realize that wind turbines are intermittent and you need other sources of electricity for the many hours of every day that wind doesn’t blow. What do you propose to electrify your Grandmother life support? Wind Turbines are pure and simple a scam! You want real CO2 FREE energy then there is really only one source that is there 24/7/365.that is Nuclear. Do you realize the the US Navy is run on NUCLEAR for decades

  24. venturen says:

    Do you know that when these guys come out to the wind farm they turn the pitch off so they are quiet to “show” how quiet they are? Please tell me where the energy comes from when the wind doesn’t blow? Also where is all the extra money going to come from to build the thousand upon thousand of these you need for just one normal energy plant?

  25. EmMarieCharbs says:

    Yes, wind energy is expensive to install relative to its energy output. But what you have to ask yourself is, “What is a greener future worth to me?” I feel like people put up the same arguments as people trying to lose weight. Overweight people say, “Oh, its so much work, keeping fresh produce around is expensive, I like my life as its been, etc.” Property values don’t have to drop and the noise doesn’t have to bother you. We created this mess, now we have to live with the consequences.

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